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SSJ Goku (Yardrat) vs Android 19
Topic Started: Dec 15 2011, 03:33 PM (2,423 Views)
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The Tien comment on Goku seems like more of a mistake than anything.

Although that shouldn't change the opinion....

19 is nothing special Pre Absorbtion. Vegeta mocks him and that goes uncontradicted.

19/20 Post could possible be the androids Trunks spoke of...


19/20 Post > Ssj Trunks ~ or > 19/20 Pre

Probably makes sense.

Freeza is out of the equation here , it's more about Trunks than Freeza.
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Piccolo's jump is justified, imo. His jump in the 3 yrs is very much similar to Goku and Gohan's jump in RST. Piccolo had someone on to train with and had new power that he needed to get used to.

Goku/Gohan had new power that they had to get used to.

Piccolo most likely had made another big jump in RST from Kami.

#19 beats Goku easily enough.
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There is no need to justify power increases. The plot calls for it, it happens.

Piccolo is still an important valued character here.

SSJ Trunks says OMG, Androids, and thus Piccolo is able to be stronger than Trunks was. It's just that simple.
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nope. it's justified. like i said. #19 beats Goku here. everyone thinks that the training paid off when Goku is fighting. So it must not be because 19 is weak. :)
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Goku was in a weakened state. Tien noticed that he was breathing heavily after just flying. Piccolo and Gohan were not at all impressed or even content with Goku's fighting and they were the ones training with him during the three years. During those three years, did goku get stronger? Yes, but because he is sick, you can't accurately measure his fighting power. For all we know, his fighting ability during the battle could've been below his fighting ability when he came back from yardrat. No way to tell A19's power then, but I 'd think it's safe to assume that after a close battle, SSJ Goku (Yardrat) wins
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Dec 15 2011, 09:37 PM
Goku was in a weakened state. Tien noticed that he was breathing heavily after just flying. Piccolo and Gohan were not at all impressed or even content with Goku's fighting and they were the ones training with him during the three years. During those three years, did goku get stronger? Yes, but because he is sick, you can't accurately measure his fighting power. For all we know, his fighting ability during the battle could've been below his fighting ability when he came back from yardrat. No way to tell A19's power then, but I 'd think it's safe to assume that after a close battle, SSJ Goku (Yardrat) wins
Piccolo said Goku was putting out close to his full power, but should've still been more stupendous. So there's no way Goku was so terribly weak that the androids were weaker than Freeza. No way did he train for 3 years and not at least double his power.
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The way Herms described it to me is that basically

Goku is putting out full effort

But it's not close to his full power.

It's an awkward statement, but that's what he described it as and how he meant for the translation to be taken. Realistically that makes the most sense as well.

It's possible Goku doubled his power from Namek to Earth and then doubled again .

There's no way to tell just how high these guys are...

All we know, is that Trunks thinks that Mecha Freeza who is above Goku Namek, is trash...


The gaps could be far wider than we would think... I think Kamikaze has a healthy spacing for the gaps, and they probably are more realstic than most...
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Dec 15 2011, 09:41 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 09:37 PM
Goku was in a weakened state. Tien noticed that he was breathing heavily after just flying. Piccolo and Gohan were not at all impressed or even content with Goku's fighting and they were the ones training with him during the three years. During those three years, did goku get stronger? Yes, but because he is sick, you can't accurately measure his fighting power. For all we know, his fighting ability during the battle could've been below his fighting ability when he came back from yardrat. No way to tell A19's power then, but I 'd think it's safe to assume that after a close battle, SSJ Goku (Yardrat) wins
Piccolo said Goku was putting out close to his full power, but should've still been more stupendous. So there's no way Goku was so terribly weak that the androids were weaker than Freeza. No way did he train for 3 years and not at least double his power.
Take Frieza out of the equation and the good comparison would be against Future Trunks (sword). I think A19 would have around the same power if not more. Goku was more powerful (not by much but still) than Trunks so the two's powers are about the same. As for Goku's power, it was much higher, but that did not matter. His illness prevented him from properly using it and that's what Piccolo was noticing. If it was not for the virus, the outcome would be like Piccolo said which consists of Goku winning the battle undoubtedly.
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Dec 15 2011, 09:37 PM
Goku was in a weakened state. Tien noticed that he was breathing heavily after just flying. Piccolo and Gohan were not at all impressed or even content with Goku's fighting and they were the ones training with him during the three years. During those three years, did goku get stronger? Yes, but because he is sick, you can't accurately measure his fighting power. For all we know, his fighting ability during the battle could've been below his fighting ability when he came back from yardrat. No way to tell A19's power then, but I 'd think it's safe to assume that after a close battle, SSJ Goku (Yardrat) wins
Piccolo said Goku was putting out close to his full power, but should've still been more stupendous. So there's no way Goku was so terribly weak that the androids were weaker than Freeza. No way did he train for 3 years and not at least double his power.
Take Frieza out of the equation and the good comparison would be against Future Trunks (sword). I think A19 would have around the same power if not more. Goku was more powerful (not by much but still) than Trunks so the two's powers are about the same. As for Goku's power, it was much higher, but that did not matter. His illness prevented him from properly using it and that's what Piccolo was noticing. If it was not for the virus, the outcome would be like Piccolo said which consists of Goku winning the battle undoubtedly.
So then you basically agree with what I'm saying?
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Tien's statement's of Goku's power is the necessary proof that:

SSJ sick Goku (Android Saga) > SSJ Yardrat Goku (Trunks Saga)

Tien is amazed of Goku's power, taking into account that he witnessed SSJ Future Trunks and SSJ Yardrat Gokus duel, this means that a sick Goku is still stronger than when he came from space.
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That statement is very awkward, it doesn't have to be taken that way.

The way the statement plays out, it seems it's the first time Tien ever saw Super Saiyan. Probably just a mistake by Toriyama.

But like I said, that doesn't mean that Sick Goku couldn't be stronger than Yardrat Goku...



The rumors weren't true, ( 19/20 >> SSJ Trunks ) at least initially, but post it's possible. 19/20 being around Trunks initially, and then Sick Goku being a couple steps ahead of Yardrat is quite plausible.
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Dec 15 2011, 09:53 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 09:49 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Dec 15 2011, 09:41 PM
supersaiyan1993
Dec 15 2011, 09:37 PM
Goku was in a weakened state. Tien noticed that he was breathing heavily after just flying. Piccolo and Gohan were not at all impressed or even content with Goku's fighting and they were the ones training with him during the three years. During those three years, did goku get stronger? Yes, but because he is sick, you can't accurately measure his fighting power. For all we know, his fighting ability during the battle could've been below his fighting ability when he came back from yardrat. No way to tell A19's power then, but I 'd think it's safe to assume that after a close battle, SSJ Goku (Yardrat) wins
Piccolo said Goku was putting out close to his full power, but should've still been more stupendous. So there's no way Goku was so terribly weak that the androids were weaker than Freeza. No way did he train for 3 years and not at least double his power.
Take Frieza out of the equation and the good comparison would be against Future Trunks (sword). I think A19 would have around the same power if not more. Goku was more powerful (not by much but still) than Trunks so the two's powers are about the same. As for Goku's power, it was much higher, but that did not matter. His illness prevented him from properly using it and that's what Piccolo was noticing. If it was not for the virus, the outcome would be like Piccolo said which consists of Goku winning the battle undoubtedly.
So then you basically agree with what I'm saying?
Partially. I think that Goku would have a fair chance of winning, 40-50%
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Trunks seems more impressed with Yardrat Goku's power , then Vegeta seems to be of the initial androids. Although, that could be highly speculative...

I'm even ok with Trunks > Initial 19/20 honestly, but below Freeza is probably pushing it too much...
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IMO goku beats A19 just by a little bit
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